Why Holistic Health Is SO Important with Relationship OCD/Relationship Anxiety (ft. Sarah Hook)

Kiyomi: [00:00:00] Hi, awakening, love, we are Kiyomi and Alexis and ROCD coach and therapist and are here to help you holistically and freedom from relationship OCD and anxiety. We're here to show you that you're just human and you're not alone. Your suffering doesn't have to feel so scary. We're here to teach you how you can use this darkness as a way to awaken into deeper fulfillment, empowerment and love within yourself, your partner and your life. Here's to being human. 

Kiyomi: [00:00:30] Hi, everyone, welcome to the Awaken into Love podcast. I am so thrilled to be here. We are on episode number 35 and today I have someone really special for today's podcast episode. And this is going to be a little bit different as we're diving into the importance of the mind, body, and spirit. So today I have Sarah Hook on. Sarah Hook is a holistic practitioner living in England, and she has 15 years of experience with a holistic focus on healing the body, working with the mind, body and soul. Working with detoxing gut health, hormone health. Something that a lot of you ask me about. And she's worked specifically with Lyme disease and healing. She focuses a lot on the nervous system, and she feels very passionate about nourishing herself. I'm so excited to have her today. This is something that I've been wanting to move deeper and deeper into, as many of you know, at Awaken into Love. We really want to educate people on the importance of holistic health. So it's not just the mind, but it's everything connected together in order for us to have deeper, deeper healing and awakening. So welcome, Sarah. So happy to have you all the way from England.

Sarah: [00:01:32] Thank you for having me. I'm really excited to be here and I can't wait to chat with you.

Kiyomi: [00:01:38] I'm so happy. You know, there's a lot of people that have asked me around the years about the connection with the menstrual cycle and our hormones. And then I've had a couple of people ask me about gut health. So I felt just so passionate about you coming here and also because I've actually had a lot of personal experiences with recognizing how my menstrual cycle is so connected to my mental health and also my gut health. And I think it's so important that we talk more and more about this because I think that the Western society is very good at just talking about the symptoms of just the brain and saying, you know, we're just going to focus on the diagnosis and X, Y and Z, but there's such a connection between the body and the mind, wouldn't you say so? I mean, I think that's probably a big passion of yours with really educating people on how there's such a connection. 

Sarah: [00:02:30] Yeah, it's I think for me and my own journey kind of connecting that like my whole body was affecting my mental health, it wasn't just like one thing. And that was empowering as well for me to kind of know that because there's so many ways that we can work with our body to help our mental health. And I think that's a really good thing for people to know because, you know, the more options we have, you know, it makes people feel like they have these things that they can try instead of just going down one route. So, yeah, 

Kiyomi: [00:03:09] I think that's a really important thing. I think a lot of people get defeated because they feel like, OK, I've done a lot of the cognitive work. I've done a lot of, you know, mental work. Why do I still feel the way I feel or why are there lingering symptoms of depression? Why are there just feelings of fatigue that are connected with obsessive thinking? And so, you know, when I started to delve into holistic health, which I would say, it's almost like ten years ago, I really started the journey. I was like, Wow, everything is just so connected together. And sure, just as you said that you've really felt that that was relevant for you. I would love for you to tell the listeners a little bit about your personal journey with how you feel like your work and the work you've done has impacted you with your ROCD. Because I know you've experienced ROCD, which is why I love also having you here. How do you feel like diving into what you do has really helped your ROCD and mental health? 

Sarah: [00:04:08] Yeah, it's been like a huge journey for me, and I've learned a lot along the way. I was actually already like as a teenager I had OCD. I would say I didn't know I had those. But looking back, you know, I could see the tendencies and the patterns that would show up. And it wasn't really until I got diagnosed with Lyme disease about the age of I think it was like 32, I think it was actually a long time after I had symptoms, so the diagnosis came. But the reason I got diagnosed is because of the effect it had on my nervous system and it really affected my OCD. My OCD went to the level of like, I couldn't ignore it anymore. It wasn't even something that I felt like I could manage. It was really, really extreme. And that was kind of the first time where I realized, Oh, wow, the nervous system has a huge effect on my mental health. It was the first time that I'd seen that correlation between the nervous system and my mental health and the patterns in my thinking. And because Lyme disease has this tendency to rev up the nervous system, it very stimulates it. And so the OCD, which was quite manageable for when really extreme because my nervous system was just completely in fight or flight all the time. And that in itself was a huge lesson to me with the connection between the nervous system and my mental health. 

Kiyomi: [00:05:54] So it seems like when the Lyme disease came up, then the OCD started ramping up. Is that what I'm hearing? Especially because you were talking about how Lyme disease really attacks the nervous system, right? And you're constantly on that fight or flight. So the mind was probably impacted in a way where you are probably like, I'm on fight or flight all the time, which probably means that there's something wrong, what's going on? And so you're constantly scanning your environment. How do you feel like that affected you with ROCD? Were you constantly scanning your relationship and focusing on that? And that's kind of how it manifested together? 

Sarah: [00:06:26] Yeah, I'd never experienced ROCD before, so I had experienced OCD, and then ROCD came because I was in a new relationship. So it basically targeted the thing that was like the focus, you know, and I didn't understand it at the beginning. I was just like, what? What is this like? Well, I think that's where I found your YouTube videos as well. When I was like, researching it. And so, yeah, it just kind of came with that person like I was in a new relationship that was a lot of pressure to feel a certain way in the beginning of a relationship. And I wasn't feeling the things that I should. I thought I should be feeling because I was so ill anyway, so I was constantly in fight or flight. I wasn't able to feel the love and the feelings that we feel when we're in that kind of calm space. And so that was kind of the beginning of the ROCD because I was just like, yeah, analyzing every feeling and just seeing everything is not right and it just kind of bill and go on and on. 

Kiyomi: [00:07:40] And it makes complete sense as to when you are in such a physically vulnerable state and a lot of ways where you're just finding out about Lyme disease and you're feeling so probably confused and so low and just so sad about what's going on that the OCD would ramp up as a way to also try to find some sort of control. So that makes complete sense. How do you feel like the nervous system for other people who maybe not might not have Lyme disease would be really affected with ROCD and OCD?

Sarah: [00:08:16] I think like just periods of stress and, you know, sometimes you just don't realize the underlying stress, especially like it's, I think, like triggers and trauma like, oh, childhood trauma can come into play and certain areas that we don't know. And then we can just kind of be it's like fight or flight that we go into. And I think just being aware of that when we go into fight or flight, it can make us feel a certain way. But it doesn't mean that it's right, like, I think, you know, if people are like, you know, taking their emotions and thinking like, this is the way I feel, so it's the way I think just kind of helping people see that nervous system correlation between, yeah, just fight or flight and what that can actually kind of create.

Kiyomi: [00:09:09] There's such a truth, and I don't know if you've ever read the book The Body Keep Score, but I'm very passionate about that. Very passionate in knowing that as humans, we tend to store our trauma and our emotions in our tissues, in our body. And I feel like that's also very true with how we store and push down emotions like in our gut or in other parts of our body. Maybe you could talk just a little bit about that if you're able to understand how our emotions can get stored and why it's really so important to be working with the physical body as we're working with the mental.

Sarah: [00:09:47] Yeah. So towards, let's say, the last couple of years, I really started to get into that like body work and working with my body to release stuff because I realized that I couldn't think my way out of it. It was, you know, like I really had to start feeling and releasing. And so I did a lot of things like, I love dancing. Actually, that was like getting suppressed emotions that I wouldn't normally be able to feel. I kind of recommend that to some of my clients just to play music and like, let yourself like dance and just kind of move yourself because you'll be quite surprised actually what can come up? And just like letting your body move freely, I think it's a really powerful way of, yeah, releasing emotions. You don't have to think about anything. You just kind of have to let them come up. That was really powerful for me. And kind of, yeah, just letting up my emotions that had been suppressed, especially with trauma. And when you're in that fight or flight, you can kind of just be in survival mode and you could feel quite numb. So sometimes it can be hard accessing those emotions. So working with the body can really help you access them without having to really think about anything. Also, I found like EFT tapping a really good way of like connecting with your body and actually getting into your body, and even just the gentle stretching like you can feeling like sitting your body and feeling where your tension and just stretching gently like those areas, you know, our body does hold on to emotions in many different areas. And just like doing that practice of sitting, connecting and stretching, I think it can be. It sounds so simple, but can be really, really powerful. 

Kiyomi: [00:11:50] It's so incredible to me to this day how much the body really holds everything. It's really the container for absolutely everything. And it makes complete sense where it is when people experience anxiety or depression or mental health difficulties that they start having like stomach issues, they start experiencing acid reflux. They start having, you know, digestive issues or even people who start having more headaches, sore throats, muscle tension like these are all just examples of our body also being in constant fight or flight. And really, that cortisol and adrenaline constantly moving through where we're not meant to constantly be in that state of constant stress and, you know, all of those hormones coursing through. But there's also this energetic component, which I feel like is very talked about in kind of like more alternative holistic settings are more in the east, which is that our energy field can really hold on to different emotions and different trauma and stuff like that as well. I know that there's such an importance as we're talking about, you know, that fight or flight system and the adrenaline as to how our anxiety impacts our menstrual cycle. Our menstrual cycle is, you know, for a lot of people who have ROCD, people have explained to me they're like, it's just so bad. Whenever they have their menstrual cycle, they either have horrendous cramps or their PMS is just completely out of the roof. I even remember when I had ROCD. It was like that one week before I was like, OK, I know that I'm just about to get my period. I'm going to remind myself that the week before, I'm probably going to be ridiculously triggered and want to escape constantly. So I gave myself like that grace period specifically, even though I was constantly needing to give myself that compassion. But that week before I was like, Ok, Kiyomi, this is the time you're going to have PMS. And it's just so connected. Maybe you can talk about how it's connected, the menstrual cycle in ROCD and mental health, because I feel like this is something that really, really needs to be said.

Sarah: [00:13:47] Yeah, so the menstrual cycle can really affect the mental health and the way that I kind of help women see that cycle is like to see it as flowing through the seasons. So I kind of split it into like four parts. And as the hormones change throughout the whole cycle, which is usually, you know, approximately twenty eight days for everyone, there's like a stage where you go into the inner winter, which is where you bleed, and that's for like seven days. And then you've got like the next seven days. I call it the spring cycle and then the next seven days are the summer, and then the next seven days are the autumn. And it's really helpful for people to see that kind of the way that we flow through it. Because as women and our hormones are not consistent and I think the modern world is very much based around that masculine energy of like go, go, go, and the feminine energy just doesn't. It's not like that. It's a flow. And I think the more that you can kind of see it, you have more compassion for it and you're less likely to judge yourself for not being like consistently like, I think in like the summer phase because I think, you know, we're seen to having to be like, go, go, go and and outward and like sociable, which is our summer phase. And we have like a week of that where our estrogen is higher. So it affects us. It makes us more lively, more sociable. But yeah, that's usually just for a week. And then we flow through different stages. So there's different ways that we can honor ourselves and take care of ourselves in each phase so that we can just prepare our bodies and prepare our mindset. And yeah, just help us listen to our bodies and connect to our bodies. Because the more that we do that, the more I think, the more calm we're going to feel. Because if we're fighting against something, you know, it raises our cortisol and our stress. So, yeah, 

Kiyomi: [00:16:09] I'm very passionate about how we can start as a society to really honor our menstrual cycle where I think it's so common for a lot of people who have their periods to to like, hate it, you know, to dread, rightfully so. For a lot of people, it's very painful. It's very challenging. But I also think there's a societal narrative of like, oh, like it's just the period. You know, there's not much of a connection that we are taught to have with our body and I think that that's why we also get so, so confused by our bodies because we're like, What's going on? Why is this happening? But I feel like there's a lot of innate wisdom to our menstrual cycle, and I love how you talked about the season aspect. I think that that correlates beautifully to also just this human experience where people can get so caught up in, Oh my god, I had a week where I just liked, hated my partner. You know where they're kind of in that winter phase of like going in order, just wanting to sleep and not wanting to see anyone and just wanting to, you know, being triggered by everything. And then they might have that week or they're kind of in that like, Oh, OK, maybe I'm not so triggered, but I'm kind of, you know, in the spring phase of newness in the summer phase or like, I'm attracted to my partner and then they're back into winter. And I think that our menstrual cycle can offer such a beautiful expression of just what it means to be human, that we're constantly changing and we're constantly moving and flowing through things, which I think is so, so, so wonderful. Just so fascinating as a passionate and fascinating, same time. Fascinating. What would you feel is or how can you explain to the audience why the ROCD gets worse during PMS and also during the menstrual cycle? Because I know for a lot of people it's like, Oh my God, that week before, like, is there anything that's like, is it connected together or is it not? 

Sarah: [00:17:59] Yeah. So yeah, the week before, like when we're going into winter, we're going more inward. So, you know, that can be difficult because our emotions are like right on the surface. And you know, you're going into your feelings, so you're more likely to like, run over them and analyze them. And you know, that kind of ROCD anxiety can get worse. And then you've also got your estrogens dropped. So that causes more anxiety anyway and is connected to your estrogen levels. And yeah, you just want to be on your own more as well. So sometimes obviously like when you're on your own, that can also make your anxiety worse. Sometimes, and yeah, it's just kind of, I think, blood sugar issues also because you, you know, you probably crave more sugar before your period as well. So the shift in the blood sugar can also create more anxiety. And usually we might eat a little bit more sugar because they're craving it. So that can kind of make our blood sugar spike and then crash, and that has an effect on our mood as well. So it's quite a difficult kind of week to navigate. But I think there are a lot of things that you can do in that week to kind of help those kinds of symptoms and kind of help to calm the nervous system and calm your body and the anxiety. 

Kiyomi: [00:19:35] Well, what would you say is something that a person could do to start like if they're really experiencing a really debilitating PMS and they're not knowing where to turn? What do you think is like a really good thing to just start off with? 

Sarah: [00:19:51] OK, like I talk so much. And so. I think I love things like helping detox the body and detoxing can be really helpful at creating a more balanced hormone cycle in general, so it can kind of take the edge off of that. I like that in the winter phase. So things like magnesium can be really, really helpful to take around that time, can also really help with cramps and things like that, but also really help to calm anxiety, to calm the nervous system. How it works really well with stress hormones and magnesium is really depleted when we're stressed, it's like we just burn through it so quickly and focusing on your liver health can really help with your hormones, especially estrogen. So usually when we've got an estrogen imbalance, that's when we can really notice it affecting our mood throughout the cycle. So working with things that you like, really takes care of your liver. So there are things I recommend to my clients, like using castor oil packs over your liver, like in that kind of winter phase that you can do at night. That's really good, and it also really helps your body to get into the parasympathetic mode so it can really help calm you. Epsom salt baths as well. Really good because of the mineral content and there's also a carrot salad that I recommend so grating raw carrot. And having that with some like olive oil and salt can really help bind excess estrogen and take out the body. And then just really concentrating on your gut health and the food you're eating. So try to keep your blood sugar as level as possible. It's quite hard, I think when we have those sugar cravings. So just be mindful of what you're eating because it will have an effect on your blood sugar, which will have an effect on your mood. So trying to eat things that kind of keep your blood sugar steady. So I recommend things like protein and fats are more likely to keep your blood sugar steady and fill you up as well. So make sure you're eating enough and that would kind of help with your cravings as well. 

Kiyomi: [00:22:20] I love this. This is so important. These are things that a lot of people don't realize are so connected. Like you talked about the liver because the liver is in charge of really cleansing the body, right? So even when we're feeling stressed out or when we're feeling a lot of emotion, I feel like the liver is also energetically moving things as well other than physically. And I feel like that is so, so, so, so important. What's interesting, as you talked about the detox, and I'm assuming that the detox has to do with limiting certain foods and also integrating certain foods that a person might not use, maybe adding a lot more water to a person's daily diet. I know that there's a lot of juice cleanses out there as well. There's a lot of stuff I'm even doing. Honestly, I've been doing the celery juice and lemon water every day for the last couple weeks or so, and that's actually helped my migraines that I've had. I've been having some migraines like the last day of my period. I have a migraine toward the end and it's always around my period. So that's really helped my migraines. I haven't had migraines since I started this whole thing, but there's a lot of things out there that are kind of popular or, you know, or set like a kind of fad. But I have seen over and over that there's such an importance and I believe this wholeheartedly in what we eat and what we digest and how that can really affect our menstrual cycle. I'm sure you've seen that significantly as well as you're talking about, you know, the sugar cravings and what we eat and the importance of adding specific nutrients and stuff. But would you say that that's very connected as well? What we eat is very connected to our mental health. 

Sarah: [00:24:01] Yeah, 100 percent. I mean, I see it myself, like the things that helped me the most is definitely eating regularly, like that's number one. I think eating in the morning as well. If you have anxiety, it's not a great idea to do too much like fasting. So I kind of like intermittent fasting can be really helpful, but I think if you are experiencing mental health anxiety, especially your body is really running off adrenaline. So the more you fast, the more adrenaline your body releases, because that's just how it runs. So I recommend for people that experience anxiety to try to eat regular meals and even snack in between whenever you feel like you need some nourishment can be really, really powerful for people with anxiety. 

Kiyomi: [00:24:58] So true, and I'm going to be a little bit personal here. But you know, in the past when I had ROCD, I had appeared where I just could not eat. I was like throwing up constantly and I was just like, couldn't even keep anything down. For me when I tend to get really stressed out, my appetite shuts off. I know everyone's different. My body's like, you're escaping a tiger, why are you wanting to eat? You know? So it just completely cuts off. I lost like 15 pounds. I was like, just really, really weak. And then I started to. I think I was trying to do something with detoxing and fasting, and then I just got so much more anxious. Exactly what you're talking about. I think just the adrenaline started kicking in and everything. What's interesting about this, though, is I don't know if you've experienced this and I'm saying this because I know people here experience ROCD and they have obsessive compulsive tendencies. My mind started latching on to becoming obsessive about food and eating and finding control. And I'm seeing this again because I love how you're nodding. You're like, Yes, yes, for the audience you can't see. But I think that there's a tendency for people with OCD to all of a sudden become like, OK, I need to eat this. This is what's going to help my estrogen level. And if I don't, it's kind of like that control. And I think what people don't realize is when we're doing that, more stress is involved. We're adding more of that fight or flight. So what would you say? Have you had that experience before and what would you say to people who might be in that boat where they're like, OK, I got to do X, Y and Z, just like Sarah said, and I got to make sure it's perfect.

Sarah: [00:26:33] Yeah, I mean, my journey 100 percent, I have had a really hard time with food and that has definitely been through that OCD tendency to control. And I had an eating disorder in my teens, and even when I started to become a holistic practitioner, I was in that place where I learned all about nutrition, and I have that perfectionism tendency and everything has to be right. You know, I learned all this stuff about food, and I, yeah, I stress myself out about it so much. I would say I've only really started to heal that side of myself in the last maybe year and a half. And that came from a place of just realizing more about the nervous system and realizing that actually in a stress state, you can not hear your body. And I just realized like and also in other realizations about myself, perfectionism, control like I really wanted to shift those patterns, and I knew that I needed to be able to be compassionate of myself and actually let go. And that's why I have actually more fun when I work with clients. I talk about nourishment rather than nutrition, because nourishment, like it's not just the food, it's pleasure, it's feeling good. For me, it's feeling freedom actually like nourishment is freedom, freedom around food, freedom around choices. Yeah, just letting go of that control. So the food is great. It can really, really help with gut health. But I like to share in a balanced way and let people know. Actually, the more you stress about the food, you don't have to get it 100 percent right. Like, let's just take in small steps and actually you can still eat like, you know, anything that you want. You can just put these foundations in place and then just create more of this balance like, I think nourishment is balance. And so, yeah, I've had my own long journey with that and coming to where I am now, which is why I teach nourishment instead of nutrition. 

Kiyomi: [00:28:54] I love that nourishment instead of nutrition. I love that. And don't you think that you know, and I'm glad that you brought that up with you speaking about having an eating disorder before, because there are a lot of people that I've noticed within the OCD community that have OCD and also experience and have an eating disorder as well. So I think it really the more and more I understand eating disorders, the more I see how connected it is. It's always the feeling of needing control and then feeling, OK, I'm doing something in order to have that control. It's very similar. It's very, very similar in so many ways. And I've contemplated this so many times within myself because I definitely had an obsessive period as I got to eat only healthy. You know, I grew up like that. My mom didn't have any sugar in the house. It wasn't allowed. If I wanted dessert, I had to bake it myself, which is honey, kind of extreme, but I really grew up with that. And just recently, I'm just allowing myself to be like, It's OK to have, you know, a donut here and there. Even if there's gluten, then that is because I don't eat gluten but, you know, like, it's OK. And that's I love that you talked about the pleasurable aspect like food can also be pleasurable. It doesn't have to be so, you know, so bland. You know, there's a lot to it. So I love that you use the word nourishing because it feels a lot more gentle and not so aggressive for the nervous system, too. So I know that you also talked a little bit about gut health. Maybe we can go into that just slightly. Yeah, before we kind of close this together. But what would you say is the connection between gut health and also mental health? Because there's a lot of research out there and the serotonin being 90 percent, I think, in our gut or something like that. So I would love for you to talk about that. 

Sarah: [00:30:41] Yes, so our guts have such a big effect on all of our bodies, especially the brain. And that's because really there's like we carry all these microbes in our digestive system. And like you said, the serotonin is kind of like 70 percent of it and it's made through those microbes. So we want to try and keep our guts as healthy as we can and have lots of diversity of different bacterias. But it's quite common for people to have leaky gut these days, and that can be from many things really like the soil and chemicals in the air and more stress like I already feel like stress, probably one of the big ones. And so when we have a leaky gut, it causes inflammation in the system and inflammation is systemic. It doesn't just, you know, it doesn't just happen in one place. It can affect our mental health. It can affect our brain. That inflammation and that can have a big effect on our mental health. So there is a big correlation between gut health and brain health. 

Kiyomi: [00:31:56] Do you know too much about the Candida diet or Candida? So I'm sure you do. Yeah, I did the Candida elimination, and I feel like that really helps my mental health significantly, which was incredible. Candida is I don't know too much about it, but it's that bacteria, that yeast, right, that grows in the body and then in the gut that kind of overtakes and then takes the serotonin away as well. Kind of guessing. Yeah, well, I did that and I feel like that was really helpful for me again. For me, I feel like it's kind of this balance of being OK if it's not perfect, you know, and kind of working with that. How have you personally worked with not becoming obsessive around health? Because I think that health anxiety for some people can come up with this to where they're like, Oh my God, I'm feeling stress and that stress is affecting my body. Oh, my God, you know, we can kind of get into that cycle when we hear that stress can hurt our nervous system. How would you work with people who are feeling stressed about the stress? 

Sarah: [00:32:59] Sorry, can you explain that again? 

Kiyomi: [00:33:00] Yeah. How would you work with people who are feeling stressed out about the fact that they're having stress? Because I think that sometimes when people hear that stress isn't good for the body, they're like, Oh my God, I've been stressed this whole time.

Sarah: [00:33:17] It's just kind of compassion, number one. Just really helping people have compassion. And you know, I've been on this journey too. So like, I have had to learn that compassion for myself and like you, I come from that place trying to get everything right, and I think that kind of feeds into that anxiety and feeds into the stress. So as soon as you kind of see that cycle, sometimes you can feel like, OK, like, actually, I can stop being so hard on myself. Like, you know, being perfect, doesn't exist. And also that perfectionism is actually a pattern that, you know, contributes to that stress. So for me, it was kind of like working with those people to kind of help them. I think connecting to self in general is like the first step to connecting to yourself. Seeing your patterns and then kind of helping people to work through the underlying. So I like to work with people and to try and get into their subconscious, or that triggers underneath that stress. So I use EFT tapping to like as soon as someone has that stressful feeling. So say if someone was like, Oh my God, I'm stressed because I'm stressed and using EFT, it can be a great way of bringing down the intensity of that and then helping people actually work with what is underneath that. So kind of just getting curious about like trauma and is there any childhood triggers that are underneath and just kind of, yeah, helping people to kind of get under the under or,

Kiyomi: [00:35:09] yeah, I love that, and I'm assuming you also incorporate the gut health and the detox and everything. It's like just like this whole body, mind, body, spirit connection with everything to bring people really back into their wholeness. That's what we're getting back into. Because in society and also just with obsessive thinking, we've been so cut off from our body because everything that we don't want to feel the emotions, the sensations, the discomfort lies in the body, but it's really through the body that we find the healing. So it's an interesting paradox, but it's very powerful. Well, thank you so much, Sarah. I also wanted to say what type of people would you specifically work with? Do you work with everyone and anything? Or are there specific things where if someone were to come to you and they were to ask you, like, what can you help me with? What would you usually say? 

Sarah: [00:35:59] Yeah, I mean, I primarily work with women and basically, yeah, with the kind of women that are looking to connect to themselves, to, I think, people that want to feel more balanced, more calm in their system. And work with healing the body in lots of different ways, but I like to really bring light to that nervous system awareness when I don't, you know, through my own journey, there's no black or white, there is no right or wrong, there is no food you can and can't eat. I like to do it in a very balanced way that's going to support your mental health and your nervous system. So, yeah, people that are kind of really looking. Yeah, it's just a whole body healing, really. But with that, like the nervous system, the mental health side is really supported. 

Kiyomi: [00:36:57] Love it so much. Well, thank you so much, Sarah. If someone were to want to find you, where would they go? 

Sarah: [00:37:03] My Instagram is @the_healing.place 

Kiyomi: [00:37:08] Nice. And do you have a website too? 

Sarah: [00:37:11] I'm working on that. Yeah, I'm actually updating it. So I mean, yeah, my Instagram is the place to go. 

Kiyomi: [00:37:18] So I will also write your handle for anyone who wants to find her work and her information and her amazing Instagram. You can follow that link, I'll put it under the podcast episode as well. Sarah, thank you so much for being here. I'm so excited that we got to talk about this. And yeah, thank you so much.

Sarah: [00:37:35] Thank you so much for having me.